Comfort Women Weren’t Uncomfortable
Why oh why won’t this pesky issue go away? This is what I often hear in Japan. And recently, most of us gave a collective groan when news came that a US congressional resolution ask that Tokyo apologize to “comfort women” was in the works. I was one of the people who read the documents listed on the Asian Women’s Fund and stated that it read like an apology to me. Why the US would meddle in this was something of a curiosity.
But then today comes the following news: the comfort women of Korea weren’t coerced into anything.
Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said Thursday there was no evidence Japan coerced Asian women into working as sex slaves during World War II, backtracking from a landmark 1993 statement in which the government acknowledged that it set up and ran brothels for its troops.
Abe’s comments to reporters came as a group of ruling party lawmakers urged the government to revise the so-called Kono Statement, which states that Japan’s wartime military sometimes recruited women to work in the brothels with coercion.
“The fact is, there is no evidence to prove there was coercion,” Abe said. “We have to take it from there.”
In this context, one wonders what whispers Washington heard. As a matter of fact, in their reporting, MSNBC explicitly states that the congress members proposing the new apology specifically wanted Abe to do the apologizing;
Several members of the U.S. House of Representatives have drafted a nonbinding resolution calling for Abe to “formally acknowledge, apologize and accept historical responsibility” for using “comfort women” during the war.
And now we know why. When I read something like this coming from the Japanese government, I’m deeply, deeply ashamed.
Betty Woo, please come back to Japundit. All forgiven?
The Australian senate considered a motion similar to the US congress one yesterday. The motion, requesting a formal apology from Japan on the comfort women issue, was not passed. But only by a narrow margin.
March 2nd, 2007 at 1:23 pmWhat Abe is saying is truly bizarre.
March 2nd, 2007 at 1:24 pmIf he wanted everyone off his back, all he had to do was roll out the usual answer about the issue already having been settled in full.
But he’s kind of blown that now, by denying there’s an issue.
What on earth is the official Japanese position on this now?
I agree with Overoften. I had to read the article twice because I couldn’t believe Abe actually said this…
I honestly can’t imagine WHY he would touch this topic? He needs all the help he can in the polls and he decides to blood well go onto denying Japan forced women into sexual slavery even though the Japanese Government already admitted it had??
What the hell is going on here? I too would like to know what the official position is. I don’t understand what the hell he’s doing but shit has hit the fan my friends…
March 2nd, 2007 at 1:49 pmBeing a politician, i think everything Abe did is all for his political career.
March 2nd, 2007 at 2:07 pmcomfort women or someting like this issure always like endless.but every time some politiciam mentioned this issure,which must arouse the antipathy from other Asian country’s people to Janpenese.then Janpenese people would get hostile for other country.so for Abe,that is easy to make his politican strategy carry out,for exmaple:military,or some other ,i think
Wait a minute, what DID Abe actually said?
Did he say that there was no “coercion” at all? Or did he say that there was no “coerced abduction” (強制連行、kidnapp)by the Japanese military?
If he actually said the former than this would be a great problem.But if he said the latter, than this is at least what is confirmed among Japanese historian.
At least in case of Korea, no one could find any proves that the Japanese army kidnapped women and forced them to prostitute.
I can’t find any articles in Japanese, so what did he say?
March 2nd, 2007 at 2:17 pmFound the following here:
March 2nd, 2007 at 2:34 pmThe tone-deafness being demonstrated by senior cabinet officials in Japan lately is stunning. Too bad the Elvis impersonator had to retire.
March 2nd, 2007 at 2:47 pmOh, I never left… I just got distracted by a shiny object for a couple of days.:lol:
The fall-out will be fascinating to watch… . I’ll have to go check out the political blogs and newspapers this weekend. This is going to be waaaaay more interesting (I hope) that the Anna Nicole Smith crap.
March 2nd, 2007 at 3:07 pmIt is really a terrible euphemism, isn’t it, and we shouldn’t even be using it, since they were not COMFORT women, other than that they comforted the troops with handjobs, blowjobs and full service, 20-30 men per night. Why on Earth call these sex slaves “comfort women” unless one wants to divert attention away from what really happened?
I once spent an afternoon in Ueno Park with an elderly gent who spoke fluent English and had served in the war in China, and he told me how he himself had utilized the services and why. If anyone would like to hear more, tell me, and i will reprint what he told me. It’s a sad sad story, but perfectly understandable too, from his point of view. It was the night before a big battle and ….. this is what all the men in his unit did…….he told me….
March 2nd, 2007 at 3:07 pmThis new statements by Abe revolve around whether the govt procured the women or private groups did. That’s what this new blowup is all about …
But does it matter? From a financial point of view, yes.
March 2nd, 2007 at 3:10 pmDanny:
In his story, did he say the women were prostitutes, or villagers his military had kidnapped and forced into slavery?
March 2nd, 2007 at 5:12 pmyes,how could any respectable pooch (Roy) hold his chin/chops up,when he knew that his two and a half legged master,had made such an unspeakable gaffe.
I just blame it all on that neapolitan ice-cream Abe must have been scarfing down lately.
or maybe,it’s just a case of housewife’s hands from scrubbing out Akie’s scanties’s every nite.
Jeez!! life is just One-Big-Mystery…..:cry:
Yours in Hope
remora.
p.s
there is a secret rumour that Abe is rather fond plangent tones of M.Oldfield whilst practicing his evening Tantric-Dog-Yoga..
p.p.s.
Joke: “Tantric Shopping” – thats where you wander around a mall for 5 hours looking – not buying – then go home.
March 2nd, 2007 at 5:54 pmI just read the Yomiuri shinbun. It seems that NYT has cited Abe’s comment out of context. According the Yomiuri shinbun he said that the definition of coercion became “broader” (that you have created a system in which a deceived woman can become a “comfort woman” against her will) than the narrower Kono statement(that very vaguly admitted the possibility that the Japanese army “kidnapped” and “forced” directly innocent women to prostitution).
He said that there are no evidence that the Japanese army conducted directly kidnapping of women (which is as I said confirmed by all serious historian).
The US congretional resolution mentioned that 200,000 women were “kidnapped and forced for sex slavery” which, even progressive historian in Japan denies. Does the US congress has find some breaking new evidences, or are they simpy buying someone’s story?
Abe maintained that he will follow the Kono Statement.
No covers in Asahi Shinbun.
March 2nd, 2007 at 6:07 pm[...] There is some debate over the translation of what Prime Minister Abe said, but clearly he is out of line on this issue simply because he is going against the official recognition and apology the Japanese government gave in 1993 to the women effected by World War II sexual slavery. The Japanese government has clearly all ready accepted the fact that the Imperial Japanese Army committed sexual slavery of primarily Korean women, but why is Prime Minister Abe trying to change the Japanese government’s stance on this issue? I know he is sagging in the opinion polls in Japan, but is this really going to give him a boost? [...]
March 2nd, 2007 at 6:28 pmJames,
re your qusetion:
Danny: In his story, did he say the women were prostitutes, or villagers his military had kidnapped and forced into slavery?
He said the women were prostitutes from non-Japanese countries who worked in the military sex business of their own accord. He also said he felt sorry for them, as he knew their lives in the brothels were not so good, except the women who were reserved by the top brass for special favors. He basically said it was wrong to have them working that way, but that as a young man about to face death in battle, he took part of the services because he need to relieve his stress…
March 2nd, 2007 at 8:45 pmFor someone who can read japanese,there is a very interesting comment in the Mutantfrog post which shows the background of the controversial Kono Statement.
http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/02/27/mext-minister-bunmei-ibuki-should-know-hes-said-something-really-dumb-when/
Srall down to the comment by Aceface including an part of discussion from the national diet concerning this problem, march 12th,1997
March 2nd, 2007 at 10:57 pmSorry the above comments is mostly in Japanese.
By the way, thanks for your story Danny.very interesting. If you have occasions, I want to hear that more in details.
best
March 2nd, 2007 at 11:13 pmThanks for the link Tomojiro… Actually that was very interesting. I will do a translation for others later today if anyone is interesting.
March 2nd, 2007 at 11:28 pmI would be personaly very interested. I would like to hear the reaction from other posters.
For me, it is beyond my language skills.
Best
March 2nd, 2007 at 11:43 pmThe Comfort Women Issue, Again
This issue will never die, partly due to comments like this from Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe:
March 3rd, 2007 at 3:43 am“It is a fact that there was no evidence to support that there was coercion as it was defined at the time,’” Abe told reporters late yesterd…
Check out Yuki Tanaka’s book Japan’s Comfort Women on the issue of comfort women and the Pacific War (and the following US Occupation). Very good, thorough look at the issue.
March 3rd, 2007 at 6:55 amTomojiri wrote: By the way, thanks for your story Danny.very interesting. If you have occasions, I want to hear that more in details.
Answer: I will type up my notes and post here later. It is an interesting story, firsthand account, Mr Mondei, I believe his name was. He was around 83 when I met him in Tokyo, I guess he is passed to the next life now. He spoke fluent English and a was a kind soul. His story of the military brothels he visited is amazing. He had sympathy for the working girls, he wasn’t interested in sex so much as relieving his stress and anxiety as a soldier about to go into a battle mode and maybe not come back. But he really did show sadness over the way the women were kept there. But he needed something to relieve his loneliness and anxiety, he said, not that the sexual services worked, they just helped get rid of his boredom and sadness over the immanence of approaching battle and possible death, he said. He didn’t remember if the women were pretty or skilled, he just remembered going into the room, doing it, coming out and going to sleep. There was no glamor or excitement, but the dull boredom of sexual servitude on the women’s part and the boredom of male hormones on the other. It was not about sex. It was about power. He acknowldged to me that the girls were not there of their own accord, but they did want to earn money this way, he said.
March 3rd, 2007 at 12:01 pmDan thanks for your story. it was very interesing .
I have read other stories from the USA reports about the comfort women who became POW’s that there were soldiers who came to the comfort station and read just books(philosophy or in some case even the bible).
There is an interesting report from the USA army interrogation about the comfort women who became POW’s.
http://www.exordio.com/1939-1945/codex/Documentos/report-49-USA-orig.html
I don’t know whether you can read Japanese, but the academic essay about comforts women’s fate in burma is realy heartbreaking.
http://www.awf.or.jp/program/pdf/p061_088.pdf
It’s long and it is academic writings so not easy to read but very interesting and informing.
Thanks for your story
March 3rd, 2007 at 9:28 pmbest
The Japan Times: “Soldier confirms wartimes sex slavery”.
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20070304a1.html
OK. Everyone knows my stance on the issue. But what I am fascinated in this case is Yasuji Kaneko, himself, and his willingness to speak about his own personal experiences.
March 4th, 2007 at 3:19 pmTraveling and borrowing a computer to post a quick note. Just wanted to thank everyone for continuing the discussion. Tomojiro, I hope you stay on Japundit! It’s good to have Japanese voices. More when I have my own computer (and a decent connection) again.
March 4th, 2007 at 4:33 pmThis is only a theory, but it appears that the sponsor of the congressional resolution in question is a Democratic Congressman named Mike Honda. According to Wikipedia, he has been a defender of American-Muslims in the post-9/11 era and most recently voted for a non-binding resolution as a way of expressing his disagreement with President Bush’s planned troop buildup in Iraq. At the same time, Japan is expected to make a decision on whether to extend its air force mission in Iraq when it expires in July. Could this be construed as an attempt to drive a wedge between these two allies during an ongoing global conflict?
March 5th, 2007 at 1:53 pmTo me there are two issues.
First, why/how history is used/mentioned in politics, and secondly, APOLOGIES – and what function do they serve?
The answer to the first question is related to situations like the previous comment by RYO. Current politics will use history, not necessarily by “making things up” but more often by “denying things that happened”, “watering things down” or indeed “dragging things up” or “taking sides”. i would like to give the “general thinning out of the love for japan” in the recent years europe to a new love for china as an example. now that china is becoming a superpower they can do business with, it’s becoming more and more important for the europeans to learn chinese, put china on the sunday newspaper supplement special feauture, and love chinese things. i also noticed for the first time last year on the BBC news, an anti-japanese sentiment piece on the DDAY celebration. A few years prior, at the height of the japan-loving, the same news slot would concentrate on “mourning for the victims of hiroshima” almost placing japan as a victim of WW2.
So of course one should not forget that we are very much living for the moment, and history is merely a memory that has shades of color depending on what national or political mood we are in at the moment.
HOWEVER, having said all that, there is the REAL mental anguish and first person experience, that the women, now old and dying along with those inflictors, have lived with their whole lives.
March 6th, 2007 at 7:17 pmIn this case, apology should serve to appease them, no one else no? and no matter how many times the apology happens, if the victims don’t feel appeased, or genuinely believe it’s apology from the heart, it’s not fulfilling its function no? these are not women out to extract money, or fame, come on people!
if there is rape or murder in our everyday society, we put people to jail.
the raped do not get “aplogies” but they get “appeasement” that at least the criminals are getting what they deserve(of course this is an idealized scenario)
however, during the crazy times of war, the NATION is guilty. especially in this case. ABE is WRONG. it’s not some private enterprise set up for supply and demand , and it is PREPOSTEROUS to even contemplate comparisons to the brothels around the US bases in korea.
in my heart, i hope that there will come a day when the women and younger koreans on behalf of those who suffered will be able to say to those japanese who apologize on behalf of what their nation has done, it’s ok, you are genuinely sorry, you are genuinely aware and baffled that humanity is capable of such evil as we have been, all these years…thanks for trying to understand what pains we all went through instead of “blocking it out because otherwise you would find it just as hard to live with”
After WWII, Japan established official brothels for American soldiers because GHQ [=General Headquarters of the Allied Forces] wanted so. Coercion! There were about 70 thousand comfort women [=prostitutes] working in those brothels. Further, there were 60 thousand comfort women working outside the official brothels. There were many rapes (by American soldiers) reported.
Men need women. Comfort women work for money. I do not understand why only Japanese soldiers are rebuked for having had prostitutes around.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:02 pm“many” rapes? Like what? More than three? Less than a million?
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:54 pmdiamondback:
April 4th, 2007 at 10:12 amI hear that 34,000 rape incidents are recorded. Miserable girls! A girl was abducted by using a jeep. She jumped out of the jeep and died. She was registered just as an unknown “prostitute.” (She was not a prostitute, just a passer-by.) Media was ordered not to report such incidents. Japanese judiciary had no right to administer justice to the criminals.
Really? My goodness. I hear that if you sprinkle salt on a bird’s tail it can’t fly away.
What do you think?
April 4th, 2007 at 11:32 amdiamondback:
Another source of information tells 29768 rapes and 2536 murders by American soldiers. (The earlier number, 34000, includes murders.)
Upon request of Department of the Interior, GHQ ordered Tokyo (not Japan) to establish brothels to reduce rapes. After Korean war broke out, Japan had to establish brothels in three cities other than tokyo, Yokohama, Osaka (or Nara) and Kokura. The brothels were administered by American army.
This situation is very similar to that of Japanese army during WWII!
Ordinary Japanese (and Americans) do not know the fact partly because there was no freedom of press under the occupation of Allied Forces and partly because Japan had no right of justice against American crimes.
It is well known that American army had brothels in Vietnam, authorized by Pentagon, as reported by an american? reporter.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:04 pmAnother source of information?
An American reporter?
How about naming your sources?
April 4th, 2007 at 12:10 pmdiamondback
It is not easy for me to find English articles. I find at least an article written by an Australian whom I do not know. Look at
http://redsites.alphalink.com.au/ww2occupation.htm
“Australia in World War 2: The awful truth, Barbarians occupy Japan”
where you will find a chapter “Women under siege.”
You will find sentences like “Ruxton was trying to dismiss rape claims, but in fact rapists flourished in the ‘one big brothel’” or “A doctor and two nurses were working to revive her. An hour before she had been raped by twenty soldiers … The hospital was in Hiroshima. The girl was Japanese. The soldiers were Australians.”
April 4th, 2007 at 12:56 pmdiamondback
April 4th, 2007 at 1:07 pmI find another article written probably by an American. Look at
http://www.isreview.org/issues/29/japan_occupation.shtml
“International Socialist Review Issue 29, May–June 2003, The occupation of Japan.”
In Chapters “Still the puppet master” and “This is what occupation looks like,” you will find the numbers I referred to.
With all due respect, I wouldn’t trust a journal with a name like “International Socialist Review” for the straight facts.
Having said that, there were also plenty of court martials in the European theater after VE day for all sorts of crimes committed by Allied soldiers. It’s the price of using a draft to fill the ranks. As such, it would hardly be surprising if violent crimes were committed by American and other Allied soldiers against civilians in Japan during the Occupation. On the other hand, from what I understand, MacArthur essentially rejected battle-hardened soldiers from serving in Japan as Occupation soldiers out of a very reasonable fear that there would be too many retributive acts carried out.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:49 pmhttp://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/1944.html
Lesser-Known Facts of World War II
Chapter “RAPE IN WAR”
“During the occupation of Japan, Japanese women were subjected to mass rape by the soldiers of the occupation forces starting on the first day, August 21, 1945. Over a period of ten days, 1,336 cases of rape were reported. In one instance a woman was raped by twenty-seven US soldiers. In Hiroshima, occupied by the British and Commonwealth Forces, many Japanese women were raped. One young woman was raped by twenty Australian soldiers. On August 21, 1945, Japanese authorities decided to set up a Recreation and Amusement Association (RAA) for the benefit of Allied occupation troops in an attempt to cut down the instances of rape. At its peak, around 20,000 prostitutes worked for the RAA.”
April 4th, 2007 at 1:50 pmhttp://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=9947
American Chronicle
War and Sex
Since the end of WWII, American soldiers have been among the largest consumers of exploited women and girls. Korean Comfort Women, sexually imprisoned by the Japanese, were not the only victims of the Second World War. In Tokyo, as soon as our men landed in August l945, destitute, homeless, and unprotected girls were rounded up and forced into “Comfort Stations” by both the Japanese and American authorities. Most of these “Occupation Comfort Women” were teenage girls, and most were virgins. They were forced to service anywhere from 15 to 60 American soldiers a day. One dispassionate official’s report describes a girl that 50 soldiers lined up to use as “busy,” as if she were baking a cake or doing her homework.
When the girls tired to escape, they were pushed back into the brothels by our Military Police. Even when they cried and showed how terrified they were, the American boys still used them. Some were raped into unconsciousness. The conditions were so unbearable that some girls committed suicide. (Sources for Occupation Comfort Girl material: Historians John Dower, George Hicks, and Yuki Tanaka.)
April 4th, 2007 at 11:02 pmYes, I remember reading this in the Dower book.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:28 pmThese past few comments have been enlightening. At the very least, they underscore the unpalatable hypocrisy of Congressional House Resolution 121.
April 5th, 2007 at 12:14 amWell, but no government or nation (or person) is ever completely innocent of anything.
And yet, it is important to reconcile the past and try to push forward legislation that will protect the innocent in the future.
April 5th, 2007 at 12:21 am“And yet, it is important to reconcile the past and try to push forward legislation that will protect the innocent in the future.”
I absolutely agree with this comment. And pressure and encouragement toward this end should be brought to bear on the Japanese, preferably by domestic forces. However, Congress is hardly in a position at this point in time to criticize the Japanese at least on this narrowly defined issue.
April 5th, 2007 at 12:33 amPlaying devil’s advocate . . . exactly who is in a good position? Who has the political clout, influence over Japan and “clean” history to make such a demand?
This is the thing about wars. The innocent really suffer and after the fact, we argue about who should apologize and who shouldn’t and why someone shouldn’t have to apologize . . . and people live with scars.
When I was growing up, my mother used to say that if she had one wish, it would be to eradicate war (she remembered the tail end of WWII and lived through the awful years afterward). I used to think she was being overdramatic. Then I really tried to read through some history texts. I have friends now who work in very dangerous parts of the world. And they all say the same thing; they wish they could eradicate war for the sake of children and women. And these are really tough, hardened men who rarely shed a tear.
I am not sure how useful it is to discuss who should or should not apologize and why because the victims are often forgotten in that kind of a debate. And I think that’s wrong.
April 5th, 2007 at 12:37 am“Playing devil’s advocate . . . exactly who is in a good position? Who has the political clout, influence over Japan and “clean” history to make such a demand?”
Very few state actors are in a good position, I admit. But if the eradication of war is the goal, then by its actions (if not its words), Japan is a model of a former militarized country that has embraced the pursuit of peace. Of course, the study and acknowledgment of historical wrongs committed is important. Rather than condemnations, I think it would be more productive for neutral scholars to expose as much evidence of the effects of war for the historical record as possible. As adults, we should be willing to look at photos of victims of war with their bodies horribly mangled beyond recognition. Beyond a certain point, dry numbers are insufficient to cultivate a proper hatred of war. We need to be constantly reminded in a visceral way just why we should want to avoid warfare. (That’s not to say all wars are the worst choice to make in all cases. Defeating Hitler is the classic example of a righteous war.) In the case of Japan, efforts should be made to teach history as well as collect and preserve it – from perpetrators and victims – for posterity. I reiterate though that such efforts should be led by domestic forces if possible. And therein lies the catch I suppose.
April 5th, 2007 at 1:17 amI pretty much agree with you, Ryo. Which is one reason I’m really, really sad to learn how history books have been tampered with in recent years. Japan was really very anti-war and pro-peace. Don’t even get me started on American textbooks, though! We have a lot of problems there too.
April 5th, 2007 at 1:19 amAccording to Wikipedia, the total estimated human loss of life caused by World War II is 72 million people, including 46 million civilians. I have always wondered how many Mozarts, Einsteins, and other gifts to the human race were eliminated before their voices could be heard.
April 5th, 2007 at 1:38 am