Changing Mores
01/11/2008 @ 12:00 pm
Twenty years ago, this is not really something you would have seen in Japan. Any of you long time Japanophiles notice what makes this photo (taken in Japan) a sample of changing manners and habits?
Twenty years ago, this is not really something you would have seen in Japan. Any of you long time Japanophiles notice what makes this photo (taken in Japan) a sample of changing manners and habits?
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Hard to tell from photo what it is he is eating, but it wouldn’t be the fact that he is eating on a train is it?
January 11th, 2008 at 12:15 pmAs I have witnessed this numerous times. Puzzled….
I see nothing odd here either.
January 11th, 2008 at 2:51 pmOh noes!! He’s eating on a train AND putting his bag on the seat next to him! Shocking!
January 11th, 2008 at 3:25 pmJust a guess. He’s eating with his hands (rather than using a utensil)?
January 11th, 2008 at 3:40 pmEating in public. Eating on the train. I recently saw a guy eating a hamburger on the subway her in Tokyo. You know, I think in NYC, it is illegal to eat on the subways.
If the answer is not eating on the train, could it be:
January 11th, 2008 at 3:48 pm1) Eating without covering his mouth with one hand?
2) Something about the chocolate cake?
3) His coat is buttoned?
4) No keitai, no ipod??
He’s a filthy little hound and a sound thrashing’s too good for him.
January 11th, 2008 at 4:51 pmWhen I first arrived in this fair land, there were exactly zero fast food establishments where I was living (Fukuoka).
When I asked my Japanese friends why, they all said that eating a hamburger or hot dog requires one to open the mouth very wide. . . Something they claimed no self-respecting Japanese person would ever do in public.
These same people earnestly claimed that Western-style toilets, rice planting machines and combines, beef, big cars, and a host of other things are so totally against the nature of the Japanese that they would never catch on.
January 11th, 2008 at 9:08 pmWell, I find it ridiculous to criticize people who eat in a train or a bus. As long as you are careful not to leave bits of food in the area, there is nothing wrong with it.
January 11th, 2008 at 9:51 pmI think the claim that Japanese don’t open their mouths wide because it’s rude or bad manners or whatever and that’s why hamburgers and hotdogs weren’t going to catch on is an incredible crock. I’ve seen Japanese people cram more food in their mouths at once and in bigger pieces than I ever witnessed back home, especially on television where people shove in entire pieces of sushi then proceed to try and chew it like a chipmunk with its cheeks stuffed to the exploding point. I’ve also seen plenty of people shovel rice and noodles in huge quantity into their mouths (and it required plenty of opening wide). This is one of those things people have selective vision about. They don’t even see themselves doing things like this because they don’t want to spoil an imaginary self-image of utter refinement.
As for the picture, you’re not supposed to eat on the trains or while walking though I have been here for 18 years and have always seen it happen on occasion. It’s just becoming more common now.
January 11th, 2008 at 11:15 pmEd and Shari have got it.
Plus the kid is a little chubby.
I wonder how long it will be before girls stop putting their hands in front of their mouths while laughing?
No, seriously, it is just interesting over time to see how social rules have relaxed.
January 11th, 2008 at 11:39 pmOld habits die hard.
I spend most of my time just a 100 miles outside of Tokyo in Tochigi. When I read Marie’s post I was in a Tully’s that is run by a guy I know. Thought the place has a really comfortable interior (see the photo below) and is the only really nice coffee shop in town, my friend told me that takeouts account for 65% of sales.

January 12th, 2008 at 12:21 amOoh, nice interior Ed!
I wonder how much of this is influenced by Starbucks. I’ll never forget meeting a French couple while traveling about 7 years ago. I got the usual anti-American rhetoric from them (why anyone thinks that insulting your country within 2 minutes of meeting you is remotely polite/interesting/acceptable is beyond me, but I digress), before they went on to crow about the new Starbucks in Paris.
They told me how they hate everything American, but love Starbucks because they can take their coffee with them. Such a small thing. Not long after I remember going to Japan and seeing Starbucks out and about and thinking, as you noted, that this would change Japanese eating habits.
In a lot of ways it is nice because, well, I get hungry and want to eat. But I’m old enough to remember how things were “before,” and it’s just interesting to see the change.
If you are just going to Japan within the last 5 to 7 years or so, then this picture wouldn’t tell you too much. But if you have a longer association with it, then you’d notice the cultural shift.
January 12th, 2008 at 12:24 amI remember traveling often on the Shinkansen and expresss trains in 1989/90 in Kantou, and it was quite common for the average salary man to pull out his “One Cup” and snacks and munch away in his own little world.
January 12th, 2008 at 3:30 amWell, I think the shinkansen and major trains have always been an exception. On those trains, there is a little fold down table, airplane style, to eat on and there are bento sellers hawking everything from souvenirs to coffee. And my mom has told me lots of stories of how she used to buy her bento through a window when she took the old Hitachi super-express.
But the commuter trains used to be different.
January 12th, 2008 at 3:34 am“why anyone thinks that insulting your country within 2 minutes of meeting you is remotely polite/interesting/acceptable is beyond me, but I digress”
It’s called “breaking the ice” ahaha
January 12th, 2008 at 5:19 amI was a high school student about 20 years ago. I used to ride Chyuo line from Yotsuya to Hachioji (went to Meiji Nakano Hachioji). I used to eat all sorts of stuff on the train… Niku-man, Curry-man, onigiri, chips etc. All of my friends did. I haven’t been back to Japan for almost 15 years, but I don’t see any changes by looking at this pic.
January 12th, 2008 at 6:14 pmThanks much to all who commented–particularly those with dissenting views. It helps to give a more full picture of Japan.
January 15th, 2008 at 1:59 am