Who’s the barbarian when it comes to whaling?

I was originally tipped to the following video of a Japanese anime about whaling thanks to a comment by JAPUNDIT reader vittel in last week’s Open Thread.

I was able to find a another version with English subtitles. Though the English is a bit funny and obviously written by a native speaker of Japanese, I am sure you will be able to get the gist.

Once again America ends up the villian. . .

Meanwhile, in Australia, they have a look at the lighter side of the issue.

Some J-netizens are calling the above “racist.”

24 Responses to “Who’s the barbarian when it comes to whaling?”

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vittel Said:

I’m very impressed by the australian sense of humour!
Too bad I never uncountered it while I was in this country ahaha

TofuUnion Said:

It’s quite misleading that Japanese do commercial whaling and call it investigation. So I understand why these Australians are kidding. However it’s too bad those Japanese tourists don’t understand at all what those guys are doing.

I personally don’t eat whale. But I believe the Japanese anime about whaling provides quite precise information. In general, the size of whaling by Japan, Norway, Iceland and Eskimos is rather small. And they whale only the species which are increasing their numbers.

Also there is another scientific fact that whales eat at least 7 times more fish than humans fish. Therefore the moderate whaling isn’t supposed to damage sea ecosystem. But if you say whaling is barbaric because they are nice and intelligent, it’s an another story.

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vittel Said:

“It’s quite misleading that Japanese do commercial whaling and call it investigation.”

“misleading”? Well, a more accurate expression would be “load of bullshits” or “foutage de gueule” (in French).

RTN Said:

That Aussie video is hilarious.

Raj Said:

I think those Australians took it too far – they’re comparing Japanese people to animals, which is highly offensive. I know they think they’re being funny, but whales are animals and we eat animals for food – even game (which is wild).

Raj Said:

Apparently a well-known Australian environmentalist thinks the Japanese whaling quota isn’t a problem.

http://tinyurl.com/yv2wds

Are they killed in a cruel way? Maybe, but I’m not sure how you could do it much better.

RYO Said:

Raj: “I think those Australians took it too far – they’re comparing Japanese people to animals, which is highly offensive. I know they think they’re being funny, but whales are animals and we eat animals for food – even game (which is wild).”

That pretty much sums up my feelings about this clip. They’re obviously not producing this out of a real sense of malice, but it was somewhat disturbing to see a premise often voiced by rabid anonymous racists on online anti-whaling forums played out in a comedy bit.

ghoti Said:

My two cents:

The Australian video was not funny. Rather too obvious and strident, and not without malice.

Imagine some vegan comedian (now there’s an oxymoron!) chasing people through the streets of New York and asking if he can kill them. I may be wrong, but I suspect New Yorkers would be less polite than the Japanese in this video.

Sorry, but not funny. Not racist, but not funny.

Now, the Japanese anime, on the other hand, was quite funny.

Heather Meadows Said:

The anime video is obviously Dragonball Z…I’m guessing that YouTube person dubbed and edited it. They did a good job :>

RTN Said:

ghoti, you’ve obviously never had a vegan friend. One of mine routinely asks people eating meat (myself included) how we’d like being tortured and chopped up to make food. He describes in graphic details what happens on factory farms and at slaughter houses. No one has punched him yet, although he’s been told off a couple times. I personally take a few more bites and ask if he wants some.

Given the state of Japanese comedy and tv (i.e., humiliation galore), this clip hardly seems unusual or strange. I could easily imagine something like this on Japanese tv. In fact, I’d be willing to bet that the two chase scenes at the end are yarase (staged), just like so many of the ’spontaneous’ Japanese tv shows.

sukonbu01 Said:

(sigh) Another offensive Australian video…

If they really think humans and animals should be treated in the same way, killing Australians for eating purpose should also be OK. After all, that’s what they do to cattle on a daily basis, and the Australian is certainly not an engendered species.
I wonder whether they can take this as a joke.

remora Said:

Australia?..well you only have to look to a place that spawned one Ben Hills..(and erm?)..Comrade Rupert (Baron Wapping) to discern what the state of the journalism is there.

*the remora crew*

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more fernet waiter!..if you don’t mind..

ghoti Said:

RTN…..well, thanks for illustrating my point. Maybe your friend actually is a vegan comedian – and that’s as funny as they get.

I just read the other day that Nazis were heavy on animal rights, and that some of the first laws they passed were to protect animals. Of course, who needs animals to experiment on when you have Jews?

Gee, do you think I’m just a little suspicious about the animal rights crowd??

vittel Said:

You guys are crazy.

The video WAS funny and the guy was always playing nice and cool with his “victims”.

You guys forget that the Japanese too can show some sense of humour. It’s more derogatory to think that they would get offensed by such small things than to acknowledge that, like anyone else, they have some sense of humour.

Also, the whole point of the parody is to show that calling hunting a “scientific experience” is like assuming others are total fools.

I mean, if, as they said, there are too many whales and they are sure that they don’t harm the ecosystem, why don’t they call it by its real name? Why hide behind a lie? When you’re convinced that you’re doing nothing wrong, you do things openly.

You guys should go to the nearest combini and buy some common sense.

Raj Said:

“Once again America ends up the villian. . .”

No, America is used as an example of what the author of the video sees as double-standards. Japan is criticised for hunting a whale with large numbers globally, but America’s hunting of a species that is more endangered is practically ignored.

I’m not sure how you see the US as being a “villain” – I think you’re overreacting.

Raj Said:

“It’s more derogatory to think that they would get offensed by such small things than to acknowledge that, like anyone else, they have some sense of humour.”

I don’t criticise people like those guys because others are/might be offended. If I told an ultra-nationalist that I thought mixed-marriages were a good/ok thing that might offend him/her – but I would not have been derogatory/rude.

What the Australians did was in poor taste because, as I and others have said, they were comparing Japanese to animals. In something similar to what ghoti suggested, think of someone like a vegetarian activist/comedian chasing people around New York asking whether they’d like to be electrocuted to death or have their heads cut off. Chances are they’d be arrested or at least asked to stop by the Police.

The Auzzies were in many ways taking advantage of the good nature of the Japanese, which was also disrespectful.

vittel Said:

“around New York asking whether they’d like to be electrocuted to death or have their heads cut off. Chances are they’d be arrested or at least asked to stop by the Police.”

In this land of false freedom, I bet that such a thing would happen. ( cf: http://hnn.us/articles/33409.html#Day3 )

It’s so easy to feel offended. Plus it’s always an excuse for retaliation.

Raj Said:

“In this land of false freedom, I bet that such a thing would happen.”

Something like jaywalking is not a serious offence. On the other hand harrassment of others by asking whether they’d like to be killed would at least warrant Police involvement to break it up in a lot of countries, not just the US. If someone were temporarily arrested I wouldn’t see it as a breach of their civil rights either.

RTN Said:

I’m not sure a guy wearing an inflatable raft asking “Can I harpoon you?” would get into trouble in NYC either. He then said, “You didn’t die” to the one girl. He asked the ambassador if he thought Aussies should kill Japanese to better understand them. Unless I’m forgetting something, he never asked anyone if he could kill them or if they’d like to get killed. Given the way that abortion protestors have worked in the US, I’m pretty sure the interview of the ambassador would also work in the US, if you could get close enough.

But your example is completely flawed. It was Aussies doing it to Japanese in Australia. So if your question is, could American comedians do it to Japanese in America, I think the answer is yes. If your question is, could Japanese comedians do it to Aussies in Japan without getting into trouble legally, I think the answer is also yes.

They have a camera crew with multiple cameras and a guy wielding a nerf harpoon and wearing an inflatable boat. I’m pretty sure no one was taking him seriously. I’d also bet that the final scenes were completely staged.

This is all satire and parody. Using humor to push the argument given (we kill them for scientific research to better understand them) to its extreme, but logical conclusion and demonstrating the absurdity of it. If Japan said “We’re hunting them and killing them for food” then this skit wouldn’t work, would it? As Tofu said, the real shame is that the Japanese didn’t seem to get his point (agree with it or not).

Question, if this is for scientific research, does anyone know of peer reviewed articles that the scientists behind this have published in an international professional journal?

vittel Said:

Thanks RTN :)

Bakjae Power Said:

Satires aren’t effective if they’re de facto propaganda, or just plain NOT funny. When American comedians satirize SENSTIVE issues (not something like President Bush or Britney Spears, they’ll go nuts on those) they’re politically correct enough to poke fun at both sides, at themselves / popular culture, or employ a more subtle kind of humor. The Aussie video is none of that.

It opens with the hosts exchanging snide remarks about “Japanese slaughtering wildlife” and how Japanese pretend to call it “scientific research”. It’s pretty clear from that point that they’re not interesed in the Japanese side. They’re convinced that Japanese is at fault, and to make that point (I’d say demonize them), they engaged the Japanese on the streets with mocking semantics. It actually makse sense that the latter portion of the show was staged. They probably couldn’t risk an intelligent, well thought out (or even hostile) Japanese response. Why go for that, when you can get some cheap laughs by filming giggling Japanese girls in flight? They probably thought they were having fun with a goofy TV personality with a plastic harpoon.

Granted this was (apparently) a comedy show and not some political debate. But it wasn’t all that funny, the stunts felt gimmicky and forced, and it no doubt aliented Japanese viewers in Australia, even those who are against whale hunting. As a form of entertainment meant to deliver a social commentary through some satirical device, it failed. The DBZ parody was at least an enjoyable nonsense with a lots of great engrish.

Are Japanese are being disingenous as they attempt to justify wildlife slaughter as some scientific progress? Could be true. You don’t have to tell me (a Korean) that Japan was dishonest in the past. But I also feel that Australian media are obligated to approach this issue in a sensitive manner that invites debate and dialogue. It looks like the Australians are acting much like Korean netizen Dokdo supporters, and that’s just sad. Your cause might be just, but that doesn’t give you license to sell that point in any way you want.

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