Who exactly is ripping off whom?

Ran across some strange happenings in webdom the other day, something that really has us scratching our heads over here at the International JAPUNDIT Media Complex.

Over on Otaku International, there is a post dated August 11, 2008 titled Apparantly some Foreigners are more Japanese than Japanese People, which contains the passage:

The first foreign featured is Ivan Orkin, an American chef who owns and operates Ivan Ramen, a noodle restaurant in Tokyo. In addition to making great ramen. Ivan takes time every day to travel around his neighborhood greeting local shopkeepers, a polite gesture that makes him “more Japanese” to others.

The second foreigner is Jenya, a Russian girl that is a minor celebrity in Akihabara, where she apparently does some tour guide stuff. The reporter is very impressed with her Japanese, noting that she even writes mobile phone mails in Japanese instead of English. She says that she has passed level 2 of the Japanese language proficiency test. The report then contains some information about the JLPT.

The next part of the report focuses on a Brazilian man who is very knowledgeable about kanji and traditional Japanese sayings. Having lived in Japan for just 9 years, he is able to answer questions that many Japanese cannot answer after having lived their entire lives here. And at the end of the segment, Ivan and the Brazilian guy comment on things they like about Japan. The Brazilian guy is fond of the kindness and consideration Japanese people show towards others. Ivan particularly likes the phrase otsukaresama, which is used to recognize the hard work of others.

Contrast this with the following passage, which is from a post over on Japan Probe, which is dated August 12, 2008 and titled Foreigners who are more Japanese than Japanese people:

The first foreign featured is Ivan Orkin, an American chef who owns and operates Ivan Ramen, a noodle restaurant in Tokyo. In addition to making great ramen, Ivan takes time every day to travel around his neighborhood greeting local shopkeepers - a polite gesture that makes him “more Japanese” than the average young person in Japan these days. For more info on Ivan, check out this Wall Street Journal article.

The second foreigner is Jenya, a Russian girl that is a minor celebrity in Akihabara, where she apparently does some tour guide stuff. The reporter is very impressed with her Japanese, noting that she even writes mobile phone mails in Japanese instead of English. She says that she has passed level 2 of the Japanese language proficiency test. The report then contains some information about the JLPT, demonstrating some of the difficult questions that are found on the test.

The next part of the report focuses on a Brazilian man who is very knowledgeable about kanji and traditional Japanese sayings. Having lived in Japan for just 9 years, he is able to answer questions that many Japanese cannot answer after having lived their entire lives here.

At the end of the segment, Ivan and the Brazilian guy comment on things they like about Japan. The Brazilian guy is fond of the kindness and consideration Japanese people show towards others. Ivan particularly likes the phrase otsukaresama, which is used to recognize the hard work of others.

Now I wrote directly to Japan Probe and to Otaku International yesterday asking about the obvious similarities between the two posts (even the typos are duplicated), but neither has responded. The Otaku International post is dated earlier, but that really does not mean anything since dates can be specified as desired.

So I guess we are all left with the unanswered question: Who exactly is ripping off whom?

8 Responses to “Who exactly is ripping off whom?”

totobenki Said:

The dates are also meaningless since it will depend on the timezone the server system time or the blog software is set to. Japan Probe uses a server in the U.S. but is set to Japan time while Otaku International is set to some timezone in the U.S. August 11th on Otaku Internation would therefore be the 12th in Japan so both were posted the same day.

There was this http://blog.japansoc.com/2008/08/11/a-quick-rant-about-stolen-content/ which seems to involve the same blog on a different posting.

This one is odd especially when neither has commented about it yet. Maybe they are both ripping it off from someone else who copied it off from their mother who herself borrowed it from her uncles wifes 2nd cousins blog.

feitclub Said:

I was inclined to trust Japan Probe over the site I’ve never heard of, but given that they have apparently done this before, it’s clear that Otaku Int’l is copying text from other blogs. Notice that Japan Probe had italics and Otaku does not. Copying and pasting would have removed said formatting.

kyklops Said:

This is a typical James/Japan Probe post. There is absolutely no reason to believe that James cribbed this from someone else.

Jordan Said:

It should be known that Bzou from Otaku International has been plagiarizing others for quite sometime now. Also, Bzou’s post being made on the 11th (Eastern Time in the US where Bzou is from (New York)) does not mean that it was before 6:35 am Japan time on the 12th.

Check out these strikingly similar posts:

Original: http://jasoncollin.org/2008/08/07/gundam-statue-rises-at-kami-igusa-station/
Reworded and credit given after some prodding from Jason: http://otakuinternational.com/2008/08/kami-igusa-station-now-has-a-gundam-statue/

Original: http://www.pinktentacle.com/2008/08/styrofoam-dome-homes
Otaku Int’s copypaste: http://otakuinternational.com/2008/08/styrofoam-dome-houses/

Copy-pasting someone else’s work entirely isn’t excusable because you linked to the original.

Claiming James might have stole this from Otaku International is ridiculous given these facts.

Edward Chmura Said:

totobenki: Of course you are correct. As it stands, James (Japan Probe) wrote back to say he wrote the original post on August 9th.

feitclub/kyklops: Being acquainted with James a long as I have been, I agree that it is impossible to imagine that he would ever blatantly rip off content.

Edward Chmura Said:

Thanks for the additional information (which got grabbed by moderation because of all the links), Jordan.

The purpose of my original post was just to present the facts as we knew them up to that point, which I think I did. It was never my intention to make any claims concerning James.

tornadoes28 Said:

The Japundit Media Complex? Is that a desk in your living room or the kitchen table or something? Do you really have an office or “Media Complex” for this blog?

Edward Chmura Said:

Sorry, I should have said the “the massive International JAPUNDIT Medial Complex.”

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