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	<description>Japan... A whole lot more than raw fish</description>
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		<title>By: 하늘 （はねる）</title>
		<link>http://blog.japundit.com/archives/2008/09/14/8948/comment-page-1/#comment-492479</link>
		<dc:creator>하늘 （はねる）</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>remora: I already did :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>remora: I already did <img src='http://blog.japundit.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: remora</title>
		<link>http://blog.japundit.com/archives/2008/09/14/8948/comment-page-1/#comment-492477</link>
		<dc:creator>remora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..in short you are stuck between a rock and a hard place - China/North Korea and Japan..so stop whining and bellyaching

*I&#039;d get the Hell Out*

regards

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..in short you are stuck between a rock and a hard place &#8211; China/North Korea and Japan..so stop whining and bellyaching</p>
<p>*I&#8217;d get the Hell Out*</p>
<p>regards</p>
<p>remora</p>
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		<title>By: remora</title>
		<link>http://blog.japundit.com/archives/2008/09/14/8948/comment-page-1/#comment-492476</link>
		<dc:creator>remora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well i&#039;ll tell you what chum - I don&#039;t see any future for South Korea - or in the long term for the Corean Language.

remora</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well i&#8217;ll tell you what chum &#8211; I don&#8217;t see any future for South Korea &#8211; or in the long term for the Corean Language.</p>
<p>remora</p>
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		<title>By: 하늘 （はねる）</title>
		<link>http://blog.japundit.com/archives/2008/09/14/8948/comment-page-1/#comment-492471</link>
		<dc:creator>하늘 （はねる）</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t it all depend on how the students were raised, and how they are taught?
I see that many American teachers are lax in many parts, yet the students follow the curriculum very well. 
In Corea... well, it&#039;s all military-style. The students that came from Corea seems to have trouble with learning in a &quot;lax&quot; way.

Westernization isn&#039;t always so effective with every country...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it all depend on how the students were raised, and how they are taught?<br />
I see that many American teachers are lax in many parts, yet the students follow the curriculum very well.<br />
In Corea&#8230; well, it&#8217;s all military-style. The students that came from Corea seems to have trouble with learning in a &#8220;lax&#8221; way.</p>
<p>Westernization isn&#8217;t always so effective with every country&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sputnik</title>
		<link>http://blog.japundit.com/archives/2008/09/14/8948/comment-page-1/#comment-492464</link>
		<dc:creator>sputnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 05:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Yutori system seems good in theory, much like the US system. I&#039;m fortunate enough to go to selective public high school which requires a certain standardized test score for admittance and the result is a rigorous environment where pretty much everyone is motivated to do well and gets into college. Lots of electives are available and we even get a half day off every 5 day school week.  So in my case, my education would be considered even more relaxed by Japanese standards but my quality of education hasn&#039;t suffered. This is probably an implementation problem on Japan&#039;s part.

It seems like Japan is trying to Westernize its education system but is having trouble because its not really reforming a system that was flawed in terms of educational value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Yutori system seems good in theory, much like the US system. I&#8217;m fortunate enough to go to selective public high school which requires a certain standardized test score for admittance and the result is a rigorous environment where pretty much everyone is motivated to do well and gets into college. Lots of electives are available and we even get a half day off every 5 day school week.  So in my case, my education would be considered even more relaxed by Japanese standards but my quality of education hasn&#8217;t suffered. This is probably an implementation problem on Japan&#8217;s part.</p>
<p>It seems like Japan is trying to Westernize its education system but is having trouble because its not really reforming a system that was flawed in terms of educational value.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Chmura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Chmura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reply, g055man. Since I have known you since you were a little kid going through those schools, I know you are in a really good position to provide some insight to this problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply, g055man. Since I have known you since you were a little kid going through those schools, I know you are in a really good position to provide some insight to this problem.</p>
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		<title>By: go55man</title>
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		<dc:creator>go55man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Education in Japan isn&#039;t what it used to be, sputnik.  Having experienced Japanese public school when I was a kid, and now having my kids in Japanese public school, I see a marked decline in the quality of the education.  The &#039;Yutori&#039;(this wiki isn&#039;t too bad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yutori_education) system has taken over the schools and the quality, as well as the quantity, has declined.  

With respect to English being taught at primary schools, it is happening, but only 1 or 2 hours a months at most.  I think the idea of getting kids used to listening to another language and being comfortable in non-native context is valuable, but the piddlin&#039; amount of time they spend is probably counterproductive.  I say get rid of yutori and get back the education system that once was...  which should lead to what Ed talks about, people who can properly express themselves...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Education in Japan isn&#8217;t what it used to be, sputnik.  Having experienced Japanese public school when I was a kid, and now having my kids in Japanese public school, I see a marked decline in the quality of the education.  The &#8216;Yutori&#8217;(this wiki isn&#8217;t too bad: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yutori_education)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yutori_education)</a> system has taken over the schools and the quality, as well as the quantity, has declined.  </p>
<p>With respect to English being taught at primary schools, it is happening, but only 1 or 2 hours a months at most.  I think the idea of getting kids used to listening to another language and being comfortable in non-native context is valuable, but the piddlin&#8217; amount of time they spend is probably counterproductive.  I say get rid of yutori and get back the education system that once was&#8230;  which should lead to what Ed talks about, people who can properly express themselves&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: chrissalzberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrissalzberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Edward

&quot;Perhaps this money and time would be better invested in first teaching Japanese people how to express themselves in their native language.&quot;

Exactly.

Regarding what De Mente is writing about, is it maybe &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.swet.jp/index.php/weblog/the_translation_problem_solved_again/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;?

Imagine the amazing translation-aid tools you could make with the money they pour into these projects.... what a waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Edward</p>
<p>&#8220;Perhaps this money and time would be better invested in first teaching Japanese people how to express themselves in their native language.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly.</p>
<p>Regarding what De Mente is writing about, is it maybe <a href="http://www.swet.jp/index.php/weblog/the_translation_problem_solved_again/" rel="nofollow">this</a>?</p>
<p>Imagine the amazing translation-aid tools you could make with the money they pour into these projects&#8230;. what a waste.</p>
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		<title>By: 하늘 （はねる）</title>
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		<dc:creator>하늘 （はねる）</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank god Japan isn&#039;t following Corea with the &quot;tongue&quot; surgery. Housewives in Corea thought that by... cutting or stretching their children&#039;s tongue, they could say English more fluently.
I&#039;m thankful that I freely work at scanlation group, not a formal one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank god Japan isn&#8217;t following Corea with the &#8220;tongue&#8221; surgery. Housewives in Corea thought that by&#8230; cutting or stretching their children&#8217;s tongue, they could say English more fluently.<br />
I&#8217;m thankful that I freely work at scanlation group, not a formal one.</p>
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		<title>By: len</title>
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		<dc:creator>len</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ghoti - yeah, I don&#039;t understand why this guy is posting here.  Maybe Ed lost a bet.

Sure likes his exclamation points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ghoti &#8211; yeah, I don&#8217;t understand why this guy is posting here.  Maybe Ed lost a bet.</p>
<p>Sure likes his exclamation points.</p>
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		<title>By: sputnik</title>
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		<dc:creator>sputnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professional translation must be remarkably tedious. I don&#039;t envy you Ed lol. 

Last I heard there is a debate going on as to whether to begin teaching English earlier in schools and the main counter-argument is that Japanese kids are becoming less proficient in Japanese. Not sure if that&#039;s a fact but it shows how Westernized Japan is still becoming.

Despite foreign languages being far from a priority in US public schools, kids are still scoring poorly on standardized tests for well, basically every subject, including English. However, because in Japan the schooling system is much more rigorous don&#039;t Japanese students as a whole have a better education then their US counter-parts? I mean, even if you complain about bad Japanese I can&#039;t imagine that it would be all that terrible or prevalent compared to the average US citizen&#039;s grammar and writing skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professional translation must be remarkably tedious. I don&#8217;t envy you Ed lol. </p>
<p>Last I heard there is a debate going on as to whether to begin teaching English earlier in schools and the main counter-argument is that Japanese kids are becoming less proficient in Japanese. Not sure if that&#8217;s a fact but it shows how Westernized Japan is still becoming.</p>
<p>Despite foreign languages being far from a priority in US public schools, kids are still scoring poorly on standardized tests for well, basically every subject, including English. However, because in Japan the schooling system is much more rigorous don&#8217;t Japanese students as a whole have a better education then their US counter-parts? I mean, even if you complain about bad Japanese I can&#8217;t imagine that it would be all that terrible or prevalent compared to the average US citizen&#8217;s grammar and writing skills.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Chmura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Chmura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 04:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Japanese government has been tasking local industry with coming up with better translation doodads for a long time. In fact, I was involved on the fringes of one such project around 20 years ago.

As a translator who is constantly struggling with poorly written Japanese text (by people who blithely  edit my output into poorly written English text so it will more closely mirror the original Japanese), I will say what I always say about this subject. . . Perhaps this money and time would be better invested in first teaching Japanese people how to express themselves in their native language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Japanese government has been tasking local industry with coming up with better translation doodads for a long time. In fact, I was involved on the fringes of one such project around 20 years ago.</p>
<p>As a translator who is constantly struggling with poorly written Japanese text (by people who blithely  edit my output into poorly written English text so it will more closely mirror the original Japanese), I will say what I always say about this subject. . . Perhaps this money and time would be better invested in first teaching Japanese people how to express themselves in their native language.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Pink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Pink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 02:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fluency in more than six million forms of communication ain&#039;t no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fluency in more than six million forms of communication ain&#8217;t no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.</p>
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		<title>By: RYO</title>
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		<dc:creator>RYO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Did somebody just make this Mr. de Mente up?&quot;

That&#039;s actually a good question. I just googled him up and there isn&#039;t a whole lot of details to be found about him other than a boilerplate introduction repeated often on different sites. (One site did indicate his year of birth to be 1928.) Could &quot;Boyé Lafayette De Mente&quot; be the Alan Smithee of the book publishing world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Did somebody just make this Mr. de Mente up?&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s actually a good question. I just googled him up and there isn&#8217;t a whole lot of details to be found about him other than a boilerplate introduction repeated often on different sites. (One site did indicate his year of birth to be 1928.) Could &#8220;Boyé Lafayette De Mente&#8221; be the Alan Smithee of the book publishing world?</p>
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		<title>By: 하늘 （はねる）</title>
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		<dc:creator>하늘 （はねる）</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, if Mr. de Mente was involved with East Asia and Mexico since the late &#039;40s, then he should be about 85 years old now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, if Mr. de Mente was involved with East Asia and Mexico since the late &#8217;40s, then he should be about 85 years old now.</p>
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		<title>By: ghoti</title>
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		<dc:creator>ghoti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I clicked on the link at the bottom of his post, and I get what looks like a website with links - but is really just a jpeg of a website with links.

Did somebody just make this Mr. de Mente up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I clicked on the link at the bottom of his post, and I get what looks like a website with links &#8211; but is really just a jpeg of a website with links.</p>
<p>Did somebody just make this Mr. de Mente up?</p>
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		<title>By: ghoti</title>
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		<dc:creator>ghoti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;hey worked perfectly as long as the conversations were simple&quot;

There&#039;s the key - and that&#039;s not exactly a breakthrough. I don&#039;t see machine translation anytime soon. Forget about non-native speakers, even two native speakers often have trouble communicating. This is just not an area where computers, as they exist now, can ever excel.

Maybe once we have perfected android technology, we might finally arrive at machine translation that works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;hey worked perfectly as long as the conversations were simple&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s the key &#8211; and that&#8217;s not exactly a breakthrough. I don&#8217;t see machine translation anytime soon. Forget about non-native speakers, even two native speakers often have trouble communicating. This is just not an area where computers, as they exist now, can ever excel.</p>
<p>Maybe once we have perfected android technology, we might finally arrive at machine translation that works.</p>
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		<title>By: remora</title>
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		<dc:creator>remora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>imagine a world with silence Boye. I have lost my power of speech - so now all I can do is listen..

(envision and imagine a world like that.)

no debates
no love chatter
no childrens laughter
no cursing
no singing
no poetry
no joking

nothing but SILENCE

remora</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>imagine a world with silence Boye. I have lost my power of speech &#8211; so now all I can do is listen..</p>
<p>(envision and imagine a world like that.)</p>
<p>no debates<br />
no love chatter<br />
no childrens laughter<br />
no cursing<br />
no singing<br />
no poetry<br />
no joking</p>
<p>nothing but SILENCE</p>
<p>remora</p>
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